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Hypnotic GIF is just as hypnotic on someone else's journal. <3 <3 <3

That scene in Pegasus kills me.

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I'd say this is the third most hypnotic- the first being the kiss during the battle, the second being where Gaius knows a lot about farming. You have my eternal gratitude for making these beauties.

THAT SCENE. It's just. The way he gets emotional and how he tells Gina that to relate to her because he acknowledges she's not his Six but then he like forgets and is all BTW I wanted to go to Pyramid games with you- I don't even know or care, I just love him to pieces. They just make me flail like a mad woman.

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You know, there's something twisted about the whole Gaius/Six ship that I can't wrap my head around. If you think about it, he's about the most selfish, craven, self-centered person in the series, and yet you're just so happy for him in the end when he and Six go walking off hand in hand to their destiny. I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist...and I would like someone to explain to me WHY?

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Short answer: Because he is great, and they are the greatest ship in the history of romance.

He was at one point the most selfish, craven, self-centered person in the series, but he really came a long way and grew and developed over the course of the show. I think his choices towards the end really showed this. But I'm slightly biased because the finale is like the greatest thing in my life ever.

(And, from what I understand, almost everyone was really mad that he got a happy ending. Which, HOW CAN YOU BE? IT'S SO SWEET!)

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(And, from what I understand, almost everyone was really mad that he got a happy ending. Which, HOW CAN YOU BE? IT'S SO SWEET!)
Actually! Almost everyone I know (NOT only Gaius/Six shippers) liked it and thought it worked for them. I've literally run into two or three people ever who were like "how daaaare they be rewarded for evil!" And those people are Doing BSG Wrong and they should be shunned.

Just sayin', if it makes you feel better, my honest impression was that EVEN PEOPLE WHO HATED THE FINALE thought "I know about farming" was the best thing in it. :)))

Edited Date: 2010-02-10 06:38 am (UTC)

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Huh, really? That makes me happy to hear. I, admittedly, have very limited knowledge of the BSG fandoms and the reaction to the finale, so maybe I... read some negative things and assumed that was the norm? My bad.

And I have seen that almost everyone loves Gaius's line there at the end. Themmmmm.

Let's watch!

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Oh, I agree with you that Gaius had an amazing and compelling character arc. They really did a wonderful job with him and the fact that James Callis didn't get an Emmy for his performance (and don't even get me started on what Mary McDonnell and EJO didn't get) is a travesty. But...even though he was my hands down favorite character in Season 1 (just too funny for words), I got so disgusted by his selfishness in the next 2 seasons that I could no longer even watch season 1 without getting disgusted by him. But then in the end it was like...OMG! He REDEEMED himself!!!

I'm not angry that he got a happy ending. I'm quite happy for him. And even happier for Six who finally got happiness herself after all her long-suffering.

My favorite quote is actually not from the show but from the special they showed at the end when James Callis said, "What does Battlestar Galactica mean to me? It meant kissing Tricia Helfer lots and lots and LOTS of times!"

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And the thing about that Callis quote is that it's totally right. He spent like, 75% of the show macking on Tricia Helfer, which is why is he, as we say, a lucky man. (Can we discuss how while you're entirely right about EJO, Mary and James, Tricia Helfer was also completely shafted by the awards people? It's ridiculous how talented she is.

And even happier for Six who finally got happiness herself after all her long-suffering.

Yesssssss! While I'm super happy for Gaius, I was ecstatic for Caprica. I love them.

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[my long-winded answer nobody asked for!]

It always reminds me of something Jane Espenson said about "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", specifically about Spike/Drusilla (villains and lovers) and Faith/The Mayor (villains with a father-daughter type relationship) -- even though they were bad guys, "you want to love them because they love each other."

My psychological view is that in spite of all the death and the narcissism and Gaius' whole bag o' crazy, there's something human and hopeful and pure about how much they need and care about each other. We are wired by Television and Life to see love as a good thing, and that redeems them even before they do other redemptive stuff.

P.S. RDM said some stuff about this on the extended Daybreak commentary too, it's pretty cool. Not what I said, he's just talking about how it also surprised him how much you're able to root for these characters at the end. The last flashback -- the happy GIF in this very post -- is directly about their role in the genocide, and he was kinda blown away by the fact James and Tricia made it *sweet*.

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there's something human and hopeful and pure about how much they need and care about each other.

This! So much this. And the Espenson quote makes sense to me too- they're in love, so they can't be all bad; also, OBSERVE HOW WONDERFUL THEY ARE.

Um, they made it precious, because in spite of the fact that they're talking about genocide (witting or unwittingly,) GAIUS IS BASICALLY SAYING HE LOVES HER and Caprica's face and his reaction and- oh wait, I don't have to explain it, we can watch the gif. They were together two years. And then they walked into the sunset together! I have nothing but joy for them.

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GAIUS IS BASICALLY SAYING HE LOVES HER and Caprica's face and his reaction and- oh wait, I don't have to explain it, we can watch the gif. They were together two years. And then they walked into the sunset together! I have nothing but joy for them.
RIGHT? Oh my god, they're wonderful. That was the one thing on the commentary I really liked listening to, 'cause even Ron Moore saw it and I FELT LESS CRAZY. Whatever else they were doing, it became a scene about this accidental moment of honesty between them, where he kinda let it slip that he loves her and she realized how much she *wants* that, and now they are together and it's awesome.

(stares at farming gif for a while)

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Whatever else they were doing, it became a scene about this accidental moment of honesty between them, where he kinda let it slip that he loves her and she realized how much she *wants* that, and now they are together and it's awesome.

It is like you are living in my brain and saying everything I know to be true but have never vocalized! That is exactly it- Caprica is like ohhhh wait just a second this is kind of a marvellous feeling and then Gaius is like LOL BB U KNOW WHAT I MEAN and she does but there's no take-backs and now it's out there being felt and it's so glorious. Two years!

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I loved when this happened SO MUCH I COULDN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.

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I LOVE IT EVER SO. Gaius, and emotions, and love! <3

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Iiiiii know! I felt sort of guilty for shipping them so much for a really long time, and this was the first time where it really felt like BUT NO, HERE YOU GO, THIS IS EMOTIONALLY LEGIT TO DO. And it was like, AIRPUNCH! And then so soon after, "Downloaded" and Caprica with her head!Gaius and seriously, this ship is the bomb. I am pretty sure no other ship is quite as thorough in terms of the many ways in which it exists. If that makes any sense at all. But they are like a nonstop cornucopia of shippy fun.

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Once I came around and actually started paying attention to them, I was blown away by all the emotions and depth and feelings presented by them. HOW ARE THEY SO GOOD IT IS UNTOWARD. And yeah, I know what you mean: there's the legit corporeal couple, there's Gaius and Red, there's Caprica and HeadGaius, there's Gaius getting it on with at least two other Sixes... it's amazing. And they pretty much are exactly what you said- cornucopia of shiptastic joy and pretty.

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I so wish I could do a rewatch, but just The Gaius And Six Show! I mean, everything's good (mostly in a hella depressing way), but The Gaius And Six Show is so where it's at for me.

However, I will use this Kara & Samders icon to try to create the illusion that I am well-rounded, Bstarwise.

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Doooo it. It is so amazing. If you get one disc of Netflix at a time it's only $8 a month!

I shall use an icon of THE TIGHS because they are my #2 ship and I love them and want to follow suit in pretending to be well-rounded.

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Remember when Adama/Roslin was your ship-shaped jam?! To think they've been usurped by not one but TWO other ships! Oh the times, they are a-chaaaangin'!

(I may drag this comment conversation on forever so as not to write the paper I have to present in class tomorrow. The one that's supposed to be 1,000 words, and I only have 350 and am humanly incapable of coming up with any more, and basically, SCREW YOU, SAURON, FOR RUINING MY LIFE. Like you hadn't wreaked enough devastation already!)

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I do, and it's so weird, because I can remember the shipping and like, remember my reasoning, but almost all the emotion that I had invested in it- which was a lot!- is completely gone. And that's never happened before, I've never moved on from a ship and felt completely apathetic to it afterwards. And they've actually been usurped by three ships, actually. Gaius/Six, THE TIGHS, and Samders/Kara. They're #4. And only then because AHC loses her shit and has Gina, um, tortured and stuff, and then Gina kills her ass. (IT'S COMPLICATED.)

KEEP COMMENTING. I shouldn't encourage you, but I hardly ever get to talk about G/6. It's depressing. I HAVE SO MUCH LOVE.

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Haha, I feel like I understand the feeling you're describing so well, and yet I can't pinpoint where I've felt it! Actually, it reminds me a lot of my current Lost situation, where: they screwed over Kate/Sawyer totally, brought Sawyer/Juliet out of left field and had it be awesome, and then screwed over Sawyer/Juliet royally. And somewhere throughout that insanity, I swore off Kate/Sawyer forever. Except now Lost is back, and I'm like, Screw all my past righteous anger and vindictiveness, I love Kate/Sawyer, I have always loved Kate/Sawyer, I will always love Kate/Sawyer, whatever to the haters! Even though I was one of the haters? I don't know.

But I totally get that feeling of utter No Longer Caring where once you cared a great deal, but it's just like, whatever!

(I am so eloquent. Seriously, how am I NOT writing this paper.)

AHC and Gina sound like something I would draw hearts around in my notebook. Considering, you know, me. Really, Gaius/Six is totally messed up but also impressively functional considering my usual shipping selections! You know why I love them, also? Because they're onscreen ALL THE TIME! Why oh why do I always pick the ships where they are together like not nearly enough at all? Especially when it's WHEDON! Adelle and Dominic! Giles and Jenny! It's like, why can't I just pick Buffy/Spike or something?

These here comments will become considerably more All Over The Place as my incredible fear at this paper not being done heightens.

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It is a very unpleasant sensation! I SHIP SYD/VAUGHN, FOR GOD'S SAKE. I LIKE SHIPPING THE LEGIT, SHOW-SPONSORED OTP FOR A REASON: IT PAYS OFF.

I practically do draw hearts around AHC and Gina. Did you ever watch Razor? There is this scene where AHC is having dinner in her quarters for a few of the officers and Kendra Shaw, and then Gina walks in and AHC, no exaggeration, lights up. It's really subtly done but it is just amazing, and, of course, that just gives me room to extrapolate and I JUST LOVE THEM SO MUCH, and what's sick is that I know it goes to hell, pretty much worse than every other ship in the history of stories. Like, they could write a bad romance, only they do not want one another's revenge- one is repeated rape and torture, the other is... getting shot in the face. BUT AT ONE POINT, THEY MADE EACH OTHER DELIGHTFULLY HAPPY, and Gina was a spylon and AHC is AHC! IT IS SO TRAGIC AND AMAZING.

... And having G/6 as my OTP is a step down for me, shiptimewise, because Lauroslin? Always around. Papadama? Always around. LEE/KARA, for the love of Gaius? ALWAYS AROUND. My sweet and gentle Caprica? Sometimes. Towards the end they even started ignoring Red, which was just not on.

(Also! You betrayed me with Adelle DeWitt and Mr Dominic. HE IS HARDLY EVER AROUND HOW CAN I SHIP THEM. I mean, I can. And I do. But I'm used to being spoiled.)

Incredibly long comment is incredibly long. If only you could use these words for your word count.

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Maybe I should just read these comments out loud in class tomorrow instead! Ha ha ha, yeah, suck it, Tolkien class! We're talkin' BStar now! I predict Russell, at least, would be enthusiastic about it.

I did watch part of Razor! I watched it all the way 'til AHC found out that Gina was a spylon, and then there was sadness, and also, Russell had to go home and I wasn't really following any of the plot stuff that was going on! But: I saw The Frustratingly Subtle Yet Awesome Romance of AHC & Gina. And you know I am so all over that! Why do I love it when people betray each other so much! It's so gross! The SpyRents, and Guy/Marian, and DeWitt/Dominic -- what is it about me that is so besotted with the notion of people lying to each other a lot? It's worrying, right?

I sort of forgot how toward the end there Gaius/Six got totally ignored. That was the worst! When Head!Six didn't show up for ages, and it was all bad and wrong and Caprica/Tigh! Thank God their ending was so good that it somehow totally blocked out those memories for me.

(I know! I know I did! He is GONE ALL THE TIME! I think it's because I started shipping them RIGHT when I first started watching the show -- like, that was my first Dollhouse thought after 'Adelle is awesome' -- so I was always so keenly attuned to them that I just got way more out of absolutely anything they ever did than ought to have been humanly possible! Fortunately: there is lots of amazing fic. To the point where the fic has blurred with reality and I feel like they are the OTP of Dollhouse and Victor, who? Sierra, what? Although, of course I also love them. But oh, fandom is beautiful business sometimes. But, yeah, in reality, they only had physical contact of any sort twice. And yet, I almost find that adorable in its sheer maddeningness. Whatever! I will turn this into an epic love story if I want to! My powers of delusion are just that fierce!)

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Hey, I'm sure your class would appreciate it. It's a Tolkien class. You've kind of hedged your bets already, if you catch my drift.

Eh, basically that's all of Razor you need to see to appreciate the tragic glory that is AHC/Gina. I find my proclivity for lying and betrayal a bit unnerving- even Gaius/Caprica have it going on- but I choose to file it under "I like fictionaln angst" and leave it at that.

Aww, Caprica/Tigh. My thing about them is that... well, I love Caprica. And I want her to be happy. And Tigh kind of did? Tigh gave her a baby for however brief a period, and that was totally the high point of her life up until then. ALSO they're one half of my two favorite couples and they make the awesomest crack pairing ever. Now, I wouldn't take them over Gaius/Caprica and THE TIGHS, but I like them well enough.

... Is one of the times they touched when the spylon had a gun on Adelle DeWitt? If so: Oh, Nita.

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Yeah, Caprica/Tigh was sort of okay! Like, that's almost my biggest problem with it. They were all smiley and YAY BABY and I was just like, 'How in the world did we get here and WHY AM I FEELING HAPPINESS AMIDST THIS CRAZY.' I still feel like that is the actual weirdest thing Bstar ever did to me, though.

... Is one of the times they touched when the spylon had a gun on Adelle DeWitt? If so: Oh, Nita.

OH YOU KNOW IT IS. IS THAT EVEN A QUESTION.

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THAT IS JUST HOW BSG WORKS. You're like, I'm not sure how I got so thoroughly emotionally manipulated but I am happy to be so?

WHEN IS THE OTHER TIME. Because if I missed it I'll be sad.

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2x11!

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and this was the first time where it really felt like BUT NO, HERE YOU GO, THIS IS EMOTIONALLY LEGIT TO DO. And it was like, AIRPUNCH!
(Yes! "Pegasus" felt so VINDICATING. I was like OH THANK GOD, SHOW, YOU'RE TAKING THEM AS SERIOUSLY AS I DO.)

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